You may want to check this out first because I don't know for sure. This finish can be built to a thicker glossier and harder surface with additional coats. Something like Formby’s is just thinned varnish. Last, stain manufactures add a drying agent to the formula to help it dry quicker. Joined: Jan 2002. Or they are using Japan drier with the tung oil, which speeds up the drying/polymerization process. No more, than 5% … Then once you add the drier, apply the finish and it should cure a bit faster. A better question might be if you can use japan drier to revive this and get it to dry faster... Share. PRICE INCLUDES SHIPPING This is really Here’s a tip I found on using Japan drier to speed the hardening of Linseed oil. I have three coats so far and have been following your procedure to the letter (with one exception). This is not an ideal finish, but it is inexpensive, and just a good as Watco or other Danish Oils. After sanding and cleaning the wood surface to remove any previous finish, spread the oil along the grain pattern using a clean, lint-free rag. Linseed oil will never evaporate, thus it will hold the powered pigment in place. Danish oil has some varnish added to make it a harder finish, and probably a dryer agent. Once you see how it covered the charred wood, apply a second coat, focusing your attention on dryer areas that may not have absorbed as much tung oil during the first coat. To complete the shou sugi ban tung oil process, apply liberal amounts of Pure Tung Oil or Outdoor Defense Oil to the charred surface and then allow it to soak in and dry. Replies. Follow answered Sep 28 '16 at 18:20. aaron aaron. If you add more pine tar, it will take longer to dry and be darker. For speed in curing, you could try Japan Drier. Generally though, pure tung oil is not considered "low grade." I believe that once the finish is dry and you wash it with soap and water, it would be food safe. Improve this answer . Tung oil or China wood oil is a drying oil obtained by pressing the seed from the nut of the tung tree (Vernicia fordii). Home; Search; About us; Get Connected . Messages 1,926. However when using a siccative the surface may set too early before the oil soaks in properly. Tung Oil is all I use on my woodcrafts but for tool handles etc. When applied to a raw surface, the oil hardens to protect and add luster to the wood. I am not sure about toxicity of the drier. Most commercial manufactures use linseed oil, however some use tung oil and market their stain as a tung oil stain. Any way, I have a pint of his domestic tung oil and want to start experimenting with it. Doug Freeman. 2,346 6 6 silver badges 12 12 bronze badges. The real stuff comes from pine trees. I love the way it is looking. Posts: 3,774. Sidelock. Luchtaine MOA #22. These farmhouse tables suit perfectly in any kitchen, playroom, foyer or dining room. Supporter. I don't know how standard Japan Drier formulations are from different manufacturers, so that is another potential variable. Sidelock. I have been using tung oil and steel wool. Now that I have the 3rd coat on it will sit until next weekend anyway. The tung oil I have from Rockler states that I can add a Japan drier to it to make it dry faster but neglects to state how much per quantity. So to make it an oil/varnish blend, I would just add a little oil to the mix and call it done. Adding a drier (japan drier, siccative) helps against mould because the dessicants usually are toxic metal salts and the germs don't like that. Each have some blend of oil, whether it be tung oil, or linseed oil, and a solvent such as turpentine or mineral spirits. Share 0 Tweet +1 ← Older Post Newer Post → Quick Links. Linseed oil has an average of about two reactive sites per fatty acid while tung oil has almost three. I'll be gone until Friday. Also, applying heat to a guitar neck is a risk not worth taking. I've been buying mine from Lee Valley. Perhaps the only reason to consider using linseed oil as a preservative is the price. Linseed based oil finishes —>Japan Drier. It has traditionally been used on furniture, boat decks and timber floors. Customers with an intolerance to the fumes of any class of thinner can examine using tung neat. Beware of petroleum-based pine tar; its inexpensive and smells bad. Tung oil can be used neat but will be much more difficult to rub dry to a thin enough film. 1. See list of Tung Oils that are not 100% pure tung oil below. On a practical note, tung oil also dries faster than other oils, making it easier and less time-consuming to apply. Commercially available chemically boiled linseed oil will dry quickly, but, will not penetrate as deeply and tends to darken when heated. On this countertop, popping the grain was definitely needed and worked perfectly. I use raw tung oil, turpentine and real pine tar. I prefer BLO. Here’s a tip I found on using Japan drier to speed the hardening of Linseed oil. Geno. Warm mixture in a double boiler until warm to the finger (both turps and oil are combustible so be careful while warming). It is also an excellent preservative finish that is better than anything commercially available for wood decks and outdoor furniture. Any tips as I start to play with this stuff a bit? Posts: 3,774. Jones Morris October 30, 2019 at 2:37 AM. The curing of the so-called "drying" oils (linseed, tung, etc.) Gold Supporting Member. Generously apply a 50:50 mix of thinner and tung oil using a paint roller, wool applicator pad, sponge, brush or cotton rag. 1. thanks. Used mostly for finishing and protecting wood, after numerous coats, the finish can even look plastic-like. I suspect that without additives the drying may be pretty slow in the humid Tallahassee climate, so I am wondering about using Japan drier, citrus oil, or other drying agents. Russell Nugent. I use a home-brew mixture of 1-gallon boiled linseed oil, 1-gallon varnish, and 2-gallons of turpentine. These oils when expose to air crosslink and make a hard finish. Use this product with oil-based paints, oil-based enamels and varnishes Options. Facebook; Contact Us. batmanacw Bushmaster. If you like the look/function of tung oil but the dry time is too long, try some of the polymerized tung oil. Aardvark. add a small amount to the bottle you intend to use( i get a clear plastic paint bottle and add whatever finish i want in there THEN add the drier so i dont contaminate the main finish and can add more if i need . Reply Delete. There are many reasons why people love tung oil for their projects, and one of the most popular is its flexible, durable, food safe, and protective waterproof finish that doesn’t mold, darken or go rancid. It will dry overnight. Crown Japan Drier is a special blend of lead-free drying agents that accelerates the drying ability of oil-based paint and varnish. 1/16 part Japan Drier. Joined: Jan 2002. It should have plenty of time to dry fully by then. any more, you will need 2 cans. Joined Apr 1, 2019 Messages 251 Likes 118 Location Bashaw, Alberta. Tung oil is a very popular finish because it is a natural oil derived from the tung nut that dries into the wood surface. 4. With metal oil, a drying oil, such as boiled linseed or tung oil, is a better choice than raw linseed oil or mineral oil. Jun 12, 2016 #4 It's real Tung Oil. But I know some woodturners who go to the trouble because they want the thin satin look with better water resistance. Hence you can use boiled linseed oil or even thinned tung oil varnish for the last applications. Bickmore's, for example, is petroleum-based. These oils when expose to air crosslink and make a hard finish. Then I throw in a pint of Japan Dryer for good measure. Unlike petroleum based oils Linseed and Tung oils air polymerize to "dry", there is no solvent to evaporate. Drier. I think I don't like the idea of the hair dryer or the tung oil. So when you hear me say Tung Oil, I am always referring to 100% pure tung oil. Could it possibly do something funky down the road (2 months, 2 years, 2 decades) that could possibly damage a quilt? St.Petersburg/Russia. Bye the way just for a point of information, old fashioned oil based paint was a combination of color, boiled linseed oil and turpentine. Great product, great company, for a DIY matte oil finish, have patience letting tung oil dry, and it will serve you better. Also, because linseed oil is thicker than a solvent, it will add more body to the stain. These driers (often sold as Japan drier and composed of cobalt and manganese naphthenates) are catalysts that speed the introduction of oxygen into the oil. Im finishing a box store, birch butcher block countertop and I wanted to use tung oil because it is food safe and water repellent. For those of you who use Boiled Linseed oil as a finish, do you use the drier, and if so how much? Re: How much Japan Drier in BLO finish? I think tung oil will make for a neck that for all your work may be hard to move your hand back and forth on and may not provide much in the way of wear resistance. is based on cross-linking of the oil's fatty acids with oxygen "bridges" which eventually polymerize the oil into the dried finish. I also used some oak stain to bring out the grain some...so far so good. I typically use between 2-4 coats. St.Petersburg/Russia. 1 part raw linseed oil. Although linseed oil is the usual oil suggested, any drying oil can be used, or a mixture. This product speeds the drying time between coasts of finish, even in damp or cool weather. One pint container of Tung oil, enough to do a : 30 x 72 and 25 x 52, tops only, with several coats. I often use cobalt drier, available at art supply stores, to speed drying. A few drops of "Japan Drier" per quart will speed the drying process. Japan drier needs to be fresh. I do. Geno. Tung Based oil finishes —–> Cobalt Drier. Apr 21, 2019 #8 I plan to but can't justify not using this stuff up for the price. Drying oils are oils that will eventually dry, cure, and harden when exposed to air. Tutorial on how to use 100% pure tung oil wood finish the right way. Reply. Top Benefits of Using Tung Oil as a Finish. Tung oil hardens upon exposure to air (through polymerization), and the resulting coating is transparent and has a deep, almost wet look. Metallic drying agents (Japan Drier is one such potent mix used for paints and varnish) are catalysts added to speed up the oxidation of drying oils and are used in many oil based products to accelerate the drying process. Click to expand... Wow, I love the wood and the shielding. Joined Jan 24, 2015 Messages 7,673 Likes 28,280 Location NE Ohio. The difference between linseed oil and tung oil can be explained quite easily by counting the reactive sites on their fatty acids. It is less effective if it is too old. Linseed oil is less than half the price of a commercial preservative. When added to the tung oil mix, it speeds curing of all oil based finishes. Its nasty stuff, toxic, and even though it doesn't smell bad, its unwise to breathe it or come into contact with it. As such they can greatly contribute to autooxidation, resulting in enough heat to spontaneously ignite the cellulosics in rags and towels. David Furman #209620 12/15/10 01:32 PM. Tung Oil Finish is a tricky term thanks to marketers. 1. Tung oil is a type of natural drying oil commonly used as a finish in woodworking projects. The "Japan dryer" helps increase the rate of these cross-linking reactions. Despite the claims of linseed oil manufacturers and salesmen, there is a commercial wood preservative that exceeds linseed oil's performance for almost every application. Container Type: Metal Can. After it fully cures - usually between 5 to 30 days, the result is a very hard and easily repaired finish. Very nice! Unlike petroleum based oils Linseed and Tung oils air polymerize to "dry", there is no solvent to evaporate. Building a quilt stand, oak with a grain filler, planned on using tung oil. If you have tung oil from other manufacturers, or are using a different solvent, I'd start with lower rates of Japan Drier and up the rate until you get the results you want. Generally, I don't recommend using pure tung oil as a finish because of the difficulty applying it to an even sheen. Hope's Tung Oil Finish ... Add ½-cup of Japan Drier if you want it to cure faster when the shop temperatures are below 65°F at night. Old Timer’s Finish: Mix 2 parts Tung oil with 1 part oil varnish (use either Alkyd glossy or Polyurethane glossy) and 1 part thinner (citrus solvent, turpentine or mineral spirits). 2.