Bento Box Shop had their blue exclusive PM2 for something like $195 shipped, DLT Trading did their red exclusive for I think $145. S35VN is a modification of S30V steel where the vanadium was reduced from 4 to 3% and replaced with 0.5% niobium. Gave a few to family and friends, but still have most of them, and now they are about 30 bucks usually. These super steels were created because the cheaper steels can’t be made to perform the same. Yeah I bought a lot of them. When m390/20cv/204p seems to be a superior steel to it overall. Both knives are on bearings with crazy good actions. ZL sc700d,sc64w hi,H600c,Streamlight tlr1-hl, Astrolux mfo1s 4k/purple. LuvThemKnives on YouTube is constantly test the Rockwell hardness and if the advertised steel is what they say it is for different Chinese knife makers. Like the street bazaars of old, there are good sellers and bad. Then, and I kid you not, over a year later a package came that I had no idea what it was or where it came from, and it was my knife…the right one. The source I found with the most useful bar steel cost data is a speciality metals conversion processor and distributor, which lists over a dozen U.S. made knife steels among the specialty metals that they sell. S110V=26 Maxamet=24 M390=26. Most steels start out in cutting tools for industrial applications. Buy a reputable brand from a reputable dealer. Not really sure what a fair price would be for a new Paramilitary 2 m390 would be? Try to not use the more aggressive metal removal stones. Unless of-course you can send the blade to get tested. If properly handled 440C can approach the performance of super steels. It will be hard to polish any deeper cut grooves out. I love the looks and performance of the 9104 black stonewashed version. I do have on order one of those super deal $65 Bestech titanium framelock S35VN folders from amazon, they show up from time to time but takes months to ship. Episode 89 of GGL had Cedric and Ada, Peter, on to discuss lots of stuff, but his steel test insights need to be put into writing for future reference. S35VN is a premium steel and M390 is considered a super steel. There is also a reference table of all the test performed. I saw a Youtube rope test video between the two blade steel's and I tell you what. PS, after writing this I saw a used xrf alloy analyzer by a different brand used on ebay for 3900 dollars. Bohler’s M390 Superclean steel, unlike the previously mentioned steels, is extremely comparable to ELMAX, and many say out-performs it. Check this great post by thefabricator.com SPOILER ALERT: a lot of GOOD science! The Ruike brand is sold by Fenix flashlight company but are made by Sanrenmu from most accounts. I have mistreated those knives, but have yet to break one. The 801 is like a higher priced 9103 with a flipper tab, and extra blue annodized hardware and slightly better 14c28n steel vs the 12c27 in the land. The CATRA test measures the sharpness and edge life of a blade by comparing it to 440C; CPM S35VN is 145% better. With patience and that expanded shrpener I can make my knives very scary sharp. I would not be shocked to see a 20,000 dollar price tag on such a device. M390 M390 is a premium steel produced by Austrian tool manufacturer Bohler-Uddeholm. It was all ok after I received the right knife, but I no longer trusted their return policy. 22:06. So even if you buy from a reputable seller, how on earth can you ever know that you really got the advertised steel? Same goes for 12c27. I am not seeing a huge difference that would justify the cost difference between the two. Niobium additions to powder metallurgy steels can also lead to a refinement of the final microstructure. S35VN was designed as a successor to S30V. Discussion in 'Maintenance, Tinkering & Embellishment' started by Rhodies, Dec 12, 2017. M390 macht keine Ausnahme. Supposedly 440C can not be used in an open air forge successfully, and once hardened you can’t remove imperfections or correct flaws. S35VN steel vs N690 Co Stainless Steel Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by 01026029D, Sep 2, 2015. The stakes are higher for premium knives but the same principles apply. I will not use the CH knives to cut up cardboard. This is a comparison chart that compares the toughness, wear resistance and corrosion resistance of 8 grades of steel suitable for knifemaking. I tested my Benchmade McHenry marked as having 154CM steel. This is something new to me. In my opinion, the best knives I ever bought for the money. It is fairly difficult for a knife maker to pass off a much cheaper steel as S35VN or M390 to a knife collector. Die Bestwerte bei Verschleißfestigkeit und Korrosionswiderstand müssen mit einer eher mittleren Zähigkeit beglichen werden. I’m a big fan of the work being done by LuvThemKnives and others to actually test some of the lesser known brands. They used to be available from Aliexpress but I think they know that to be taken seriously by knife collectors/users, selling their knives from Aliexpress might be diluting the brand name. There is a great deal of variation on the quality of blades made from 440C due to how it must be treated to get it right. Yes, it seems they do eat their young. It is cool that such devices exist though. The thread seems to point towards M390 being a superior steel as well easier to sharpen compared to the S90V. To the best of my memory, it had a small needle like part on the gauge and hydraulic pressure was applied until the needle started moving into the metal when it would click and give the gauge reading. Such a specialized device would likely be produced in very small quantities. So which specific alliexpress sellers sell original kevin john knives? Knife steel hardness is, most often, measured in the Rockwell "C" Scale (HRC, alternatively). Since both are sold out presently, market price has been hovering around $225. I have a few of each, but none of them were worth the cost to me. The S35VN or CPM S35V is a high-end martensitic stainless steel made by @Crucible, high in Carbon, Vanadium, and chromium designed to offer a great balance between toughness, hardness and corrosion resistance.It’s used in long-wearing Specialty cutlery, Plastic Injection and Extrusion Feed Screws and Dies, Wear Components for Food and Chemical Processing, and of course in the Knife … Peter wrote the bulk of this post. That was not the case then. ... See more M390 steel knives. That knife still has the mark left by the gauge. That is with a KME sharpening system capable of putting a scary sharp mirror edge on anything. super steels! In operation since 1998, BladeForums.com has led the industry since Day 1. For a fixed blade I could understand the toughness could come into play maybe?? Or do they just appear one day? 01026029D. I am not seeing a huge difference that would justify the cost difference between the two. It is not just the steel in a blade that matters though, it is also the heat treatment applied. I also have maybe ten Ruike p801, and 108. There are alot of steels now. You won’t find these Chinese made knives on Aliexpress, you will, but they are $20 fakes. Knife Steel Comparison Chart. The S35VN and D2 are probably the best balance of edge retention and ease of sharpening. There is a reason you see so many knives with those 2 steels. S30V had long been criticized for how difficult it was to maining and grind, a cr… BladeForums has ZERO TOLERANCE for extremism or calls of violence. Especially for folding knives. The SRMs were a good experience with relatively low risk. Another Chinese knife maker that might follow Reate and Kizer’s footsteps is Rike Knife. For me, life is too short for me to mess with a knife that is that hard to sharpen. Hardness: A measurement of the Rockwell Scale, this is the only metric with a true numerical value. Sep 2, 2015 #1. S90V seems obviously superior to S30V but I am not sure specifically in which regard. I see V-Toku2 Tool Steel Laminated with SUS310 Stainless Steel-mentioned on more than a few runs. In fact, I think I read they are getting 440C hardness from 420HC steel. Stick to reputable sellers like bladehq. One of the knives arrived fine, the other actually took forever and sent the wrong knife….a cheap piece of crap. S35VN is as tough on longitude as 420C (the hardest stainless steel), but five times tougher on transverse so it won't chip or break. The M390 is model 3507 reviewed here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B6ZMeRUiMg The other was the 3002 reviewed here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK0-BnubRms&t=601s, [Back to Top]     [Home]     [Privacy Policy], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B6ZMeRUiMg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK0-BnubRms&t=601s. I would bet that analyzer is not in the budget range of ordinary people. It is just too hard, both in Rockwell hardness and effort needed to sharpen it to interest me in having knives with these ridiculously hard to sharpen steels. I would say that is more than a casual collector will be enticed to spend. For instance, I’d have no qualms about purchasing from Kizer’s AliExpress store. If they were to create a device to very quickly put a polished mirror edge on a blade…that, I might be interested in. For off brand chinese knives I don’t spend more money on fancier steels Than D2… many years ago these brands jumped on the S35VN train because of the hype created by CR knives, and now the hype is all about M390, but they doesn’t appear to know about 20CV or 204P? I refused to order anything through Aliexpress for 2 years at least. Blade steel cost vs. knife price I thought it would be interesting to get an idea of the relative cost of S30V, S35VN and some other popular knife steels. Is s35vn tougher vs m390? I don’t have to sharpen the CH knives often, but do use them. CH brand knives had enough reviews and metal testing done to feel good about them. M390. The s110 is in need of someone more skillful than me to sharpen it. Also a lot of 7010/710 varients. If not, I surely will first time I sharpen the blade. Der Stahl CPM S35VN wurde im Jahr 2009 erforscht und ist eine Weiterentwicklung vom CPM S30V Stahl. Sure, there is a performance difference I can see that but to justify that much in cost difference? D2 is also fairly hard to sharpen. If the knife makers could make these cheaper steels perform like S35VN or M390, or even close to it, there would not be a need for this pricey steel. I have used the KME on a couple of the Land 9104, but that is it. Blade steel is the heart of a knife, and good blade steel is very important. Chinese copies of Chinese originals. KnifeCenter or BladeHQ carry these special production runs or are the Dealers limited to DLT Trading, Bento Box Shop? We’ve seen bad brands like Eafengrow and Fura exposed. If after spending 2 hours trying to sharpen M390, or some other super steel, and it looks like the diamond infused sharpener is not removing any material, it is a good guess that it is truthful. M390 and D2 are about as hard as I wish to tackle. It was 170.00 or so. Will not wear out the diamond stones sharpening 10 dollar knives all the time. M390, S35VN und CTS-XHP spielen in der Top-Liga auf Augenhöhe und sind für das klassische EDC bestens geeignet Stahl ... gute Eigenschaften: haltbar, zuverlässig, im hohen. S35VN is the successor to S30V, the first modern steel developed specifically for cutlery. It would leave a very small mark. CTS-XHP is a relatively new steel, originally billed as a combination of D2 and 440C. ). A small handful, S30V, S35VN, and Sandvik’s 14C28N, […] Both were titanium scales, but 1 was M390, the other was S35VN. The indent depth is then measured and assigned a corresponding rating. ). If you insist on going for S110, do not use a sharpening tool that allows you to screw up the profile…you do not want to have to re-profile those blades.